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vexen_crabtree ([info]vexen_crabtree) wrote,
@ 2007-07-15 14:23:00


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Entry tags:christianity, fundamentalism, gnostics, greek, hyle, hylics, islam, literalism, musilm, mysticisim, pneumatic, pneumatics, religion, spiritualism, sufi, symbolism

Fundamentalists: Hylics and Simpletons
My relaunch of "Fundamentalists: Hylics and Simpletons" by Vexen Crabtree (2003) now has it includes the following new text:

The Roman Empire's early Christians equated textual literalism to be the modus operandi of the hylics, the least spiritual class of Christians. Fundamentalism is in opposition to early Christianity on a number of counts, including scriptual adominitions of legalism. St Paul's "the letter kills, while the spirit gives life" [2 Corin. 3:4-6] is the most famous verse against fundamentalism.

The Gnostics called those who identified with their body 'Hylics', because they were so utterly dead to spiritual things that they were like unconscious matter, or hyle. Those who identified with their personality, or psyche, were known as 'Psychics'. Those who identified with their Spirit were known as 'Pneumatics', which means 'Spirituals'. Those who completely ceased to identify with any level of their separate identity [...] and realized their true identity [...] transformed the initiate into a true 'Gnostic', or 'Knower' ["Jesus Mysteries" by Freke & Gandy [Book Review], p156]


In Islam, it is also the case that more those with deeper spiritual connections to their faith consider the literalist to have only understood the first 7 layers of interpretation (which were equivalent to understanding the Koran in seven local dialects, each with slightly different possible meanings for some words).

Uberweb points out that, according to the mystic, every text of the Koran had 7 or 70 or 700 layers of interpretation, the literal meaning being only for the ignorant vulgar. [...] In the Muhammaden world, however, the ignorant seem to have objected to all learning that went beyond a [surface] knowledge of the Holy Book; it was dangerous, even if no specific heresy could be demonstrated. The view of the mystics, that the populace should take the Koran literally but wise people need not do so, was hardly likely to win wide popular acceptance. ["History of Western Philosophy" by Bertrand Russell, p418-419]


Christianity and Islam have mystical orders. Mainstream Christianity is quite mystical in its liberalism, whereas Sufi Islam is widely held to be the closest equivalent. In both, however, the fundamentalist literalists have a strong presence (overwhelmingly so in Islam). These simple masses, the vulgar and the hylic, surely represent the biggest threat to true religious understanding. To be a literalist is to destroy the majority of depth and emotion of any written religion. The only advantage of the fundamentalist attidude to scripture is that it caters for the simplistic minded.


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(Anonymous)
2007-12-18 15:44 (link)
"The only advantage of the fundamentalist attitude to scripture is that it caters for the simplistic minded"!! That statement leaves me uncertain of your understanding of what a fundamentalist really is.
Let us seek the true meaning of what fundamental means rather than the media hyped stereo type that is biased to-wards the ridiculous. For true christianity is based on the fundamentals of what Jesus taught. Firstly,the greatest commandment is "To love the Lord your God with all your heart soul mind and and strength and to love your neighbor as yourself"
Another teaching of Jesus is to "do to others as you would want them to do to you the whole Law and the prophets is based on this fundamental.

Let us assume that there is a loving God who created us and gave us means to populate and dominate the earth. He then gives us free will to decide whether we want Him (the spirit of truth) in our lives or not. We decide that there's no fun, no ego and no image in living in truth. We decide that exposure of our souls is too threatening and if we believed that this God can see everything we do we would be living the life of the proverbial "goldfish in a bowl". No wonder people who conclude this would be against what they perceive to be the straitjacket of christianity, run a mile from it and oppose it vehemently.
I've discovered that true christianity is all about freedom. It's about life in the spirit of love which is the true essence of life. On the contrary total freedom to do whatever you want leads to chaos. A good analogy would be the game of football. Imagine a local derby without a referee and a set of clear rules all hell would break loose on the pitch and on the terraces there would be bloodshed and murder.
Another freedom fundamental is the freedom from death. Paul writes "where is your sting O death for those who believe". Jesus said " If you believe in me even though you die, you shall live again"
Every man is limited by what he chooses to believe. The man who believes that this is the only life he has will by way of definition seek to get as much enjoyment out of life which is quite understandable in itself but what happens when he encounters some trial or difficulty will he run and hide or will he stand by his promises his commitments. That man will end up being self-centered and fail to reach his potential as a true man (one who stands by his word even if it costs him some thing be it time or money)
I more than likely would have been that man who runs who hides from himself afraid to look at himself lest he be bitterly disappointed. When that same man discovers freedom from his past freedom from his mistakes freedom from his sin and freedom from from the 70 to 80 years limit imposed upon us by mortal life. He finds power to forgive because he has been forgiven,he finds power to live because he is now plugged into the source of life i.e. Jesus, "If any man be in Christ he is a new creation" born again of the spirit. Those who are led by the spirit i.e. the spirit of Jesus not the spirit of man; are the sons of God.
In Jesus he is predestined to be conformed to the image of Jesus. The important word often neglected in this scripture is IN. Any man who joins himself to Christ is destined or predestined by the fact that he is joined to take on the character of the one he is plugged into. Just as a tributary of a river joins itself to the mainstream and becomes one with the river from that point it is predestined to reach the sea by virtue of the fundamental law of gravity. Being joined to Christ in the spiritual sense amounts to the same thing but we as men still have the choice to reject the "Way "that leads to life.
Freewill must be tantamount to the will of God for without the power to choose there is nothing but induced slavery and fear of reprimand ,that's hell. Choose life in Christ it's a good deal. Everything Jesus said is true. A fundamentalist is one who has been set free from sin and who now loves the One who died for him on a cross. "For the joy that lay ahead he endured the cross and suffered it's shame for he knew that many would be saved through his death. To choose the fundamentals of Jesus teaching is to choose life and freedom.

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